A Christian woman claims she was fired from her job because she greeted callers with "Merry Christmas," but the vacation rental company says it's no Scrooge and the woman is just a disgruntled employee.
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The lady may be upset to know that December 25th was co-opted by 3rd century Christians, and was previously used to celebrate two other pagan holidays, Saturnalia and the Birth of Mithra ( which curiously, has its own virgin birth, attended by 3 wise men, death and resurrection myth, and who practiced baptism and communion ). Christmas is not an authentic Christian holiday. It was just easier to plant its flag on top of pre-existing pagan celebrations than to convert them all. While I support everyone's right to subscribe to whatever brand of hokum they choose, I have to think what they woman does on the job and how she answers the phone is the companies prerogative. If I was running a company, either they're going to answer the phone and take instructions, or they'll hit the door. She can answer her home phone however the heck she wants.
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Let's just not talk to each other any more, that we are sure to avoid offending anyone.
Merry Christmas Everyone !!!!!
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Well, that's so sad the women can only respect one religion to feel wholly?
What a state we have become when individualism is the one thing that separates us from being complete DITTO-HEADS! So to the list of many religions in the world I say:
Peace and Happy New Year!
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I think the government and businesses are carrying separation of church and state too far. We tolerate African Kwanzaa, or Jewish Hanukkah, as an example. Why? Because this country was founded on freedom of religion. In essence, each of us has the right or non right to practice whatever faith we believe in without discrimination or retribution. News flash, it is not a crime to say "Merry Christmas"; and, I really don't care if it isn't politically correct. What we have here is a movement in government and extreme left wing liberals to eliminate any form of Christian outpouring or display. Get over it! Believers in faith, built this country, "In God We Trust" is on our currency and every politician wanting votes ends their boring speeches with "God Bless You and God Bless America."; and finally, every citizen since 1776 has pledged their allegiance to "One Nation under God." So, to all this holiday season "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL."
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Thank you so very much for "tolerating Jewish Hanukah"...it's such a relief to know that a person such as yourself "tolerates" us Jews...
I won't even dignify the stupidity of your post with a proper response. You're just beyond any type of help...you belong with the toothless incestuous people in the mountains...they're your speed. You should definitely join them!
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You TOLERATE African Kwanzaa, or Jewish Hanukkah? You are the reason why these stories are written. The INTOLERANCE of people like you to others who are different than you. You are right. This country was founded upon religious freedom. That means ALL RELIGIONS! And if you don't like that then I suggest you move somewhere else because the holidays like the AFRICAN KWANZAA and JEWISH HANUKKAH and even, dare I say, PAGAN YULE will continue to be and will be celebrated along with CHRISTIAN CHRISTMAS.
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"As a Christian, I don't recognize any other holidays." So...evidently Christians aren't aware of, or choose to not recognize, say, Memorial Day, or Independence Day, or Veteran's Day. It's a shame this purportedly wholesome group of individuals doesn't feel that they should honor those who fought and died for their very right to file frivolous and pedantic lawsuits in hopes of screwing honest people.
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In the company I work for I have a script that I am suppose to say every time I answer the phone. If she was not obeying what her company wanted she deserved to get the ax!
Why is it +90% of this country is christian but everyone seems terrified that someone is going to take their religion away? If the rest 10% even tried we would be squashed like bugs. I blame Bill O'Riley for this garbage! He gets on the air spouting how people are trying to take the Christ out of Christmas, but he, himself, send out Season's Greeting cards to his associates and sponsors and they have a Holiday Office Party instead of a Christmas party.
I begin at Thanksgiving wishing everyone Happy Holidays, because Christmas is not the only holiday at this time of year. Do Christians not celebrate New Year's Eve? Are they all staying home to study the bible that night ...... I don't think so! Our church is throwing a New Year's Eve Party for the teens. Isn't this time of year suppose to be about kindness, generosity, extended a hand to your fellow man, I missed the part about it only being a Christian hand to another Christian.
I once heard a story about a Rabbi who called his Christian friend every year on Christmas and wished the Christian a Merry Christmas. One year the Christian asked "Why do you call me every year? This isn't your special day." The Rabbi answered back, " No, the day doesn't mean as much to me as to you, but you hold it dear, and I hold you dear. " Isn't that what this season of many holidays is really about?
Take that Bill O'Riley! : (
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Yawn, ah religion, mind control for the impaired, whoops I meant the masses just myths and magic, BORING, like that Santa Claus dude, like a christian I know, he has no problem coveting his neighbors wife, or stealing, his religion enables it, the forgive me father I have sinned hooey, what crap, have MORALS Ron, not a device to make lying, stealing, sleeping with a married woman whilst you are married OK, yeetch, what hooey!
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Therese in NV....Under God was added to the pledge in the 1950s. The pledge was written in 1892 by a SOCIALIST (horrors!). Nobody pledged allegiance in 1776. Yes, the colonies were founded as religious settlements, but the COUNTRY, in 1776, was founded on NO RELIGION. That's the beauty of it. 100 years from now, if Muslims or Buddhists become the majority, Christians will still have rights based on our Constitution. I suggest you support the separation of church and state lest the weakening of it that you support today bites you or your descendants on the fanny in the future.
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Um, if my memory serves me correctly, Kwanzaa isn't a religious holiday, it is a celebration of life and family, it has nothing to do with religion.
And the Jewish community has been around for way longer than the Christian community. True Christians don't tolerate the Jewish, we live and learn and grow with the Jewish.
Also, for the ignorant in this country, a little education for the "One Nation under God" quote, that wasn't the pledge in 1776, the "under God" wasn't written into the pledge until 1954 when it was signed into law by President Eisenhower.
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That is true, Z00CREW. Our best friends are a family that celebrates both Christmas and Kwanzaa. They are African Americans and Christians and celebrate both. We have enjoyed celebrating with them many times, both "holidays."
My family celebrates a very secular "Christmas" that has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with love and family. We just call it that because we aren't original enough to have come up with a different name for it.
It never ceases to amaze how closed the minds of some Americans are. Kinda sad that while they are closing their minds to other religions and ideas, they seem to close it to other types of education too.
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Let's just not talk to each other any more, that we are sure to avoid offending anyone.
I used to say "Happy Holidays" in my professional life, not knowing the religious affiliation of the receiver. "Merry Christmas" was for more intimate conversation. I am not offended by any warm regards but this Christian "War on Happy Holidays" makes it clear that I should just keep my mouth shut. I don't even acknowledge Christmas or whatever to people I don't know.
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Luckily, there are few Christians I know that would take offense at "Happy Holidays", but I have been a city dweller most of my life - and I only know one Southern Baptist, a dear woman who would not be offended either (but she is a teacher and educated).
Some of the intollerant need to get over it, and remember that being a Christian is about caring for your fellow man, not being all high and mighty. How about a truce for at least the month of December?
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Look, enough of this tolerance crap. The holliday is Christmas. And Christmas is a Christian holliday. While it is a good time to enjoy family and friends, it not about family, or love, or good friends. It is about the birth of Jesus Christ. If you don't want to celebrate that then don't. But at least be honest about it. Don't put a tree in your house. Don't take the day off work. Don't buy or accept gifts. Don't send cards, and by all means, don't say Merry Christmas.
You know it's funny, I don't see anybody getting upset and screaming about intolerance over "Happy Easter".
Merry Christmas y'all.
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You know... people have the right to bear arms too. But I don't see anyone claiming their rights have been infringed because they can't take a rifle into the office. :D There is whole list of reasons why this woman's complaint is a perversion of what our rights actually are.
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What has always been interesting to me... is that Freedom of Religion supports and validates belief systems which are themselves antithetical to the principle itself. I've always wondered how a Democracy that champions "tolerance" can absorb an intolerant religion ( such as Islam ). What happens when the majority wants Shariah law? It will probably happen in Iraq.
I guess my point is that, there ARE limits to religious freedom after all. You can't behead infidels, you can't sacrifice babies, you can't cut the hearts out of virgins, you can't capture and make slaves out of the opposing sect. This is a bigger question in my mind than the xmas hooplah : how do we tolerate intolerant faiths? It would seem that the champions of tolerance have in fact defined limits for what an acceptable religion is. :D Is that not in some way ironic?
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What never ceases to amaze me is how people will seek to file a lawsuit to correct any sort of grievance with an employer.
I have always said "Happy Holidays." Not because I don't like Christmas or don't respect people of faith, but only as form of respect whose faith notion may not include "Merry Christmas."
We discussed this ad-nauseam on another thread, and as I said there--I wouldn't be offended if someone wished me a Merry Xmas, Happy Hannukah, Wonderful Kwaanza, etc. Why must we be so friggin' PC? And why must people like this woman feel that everyone else ought to conform to her idea of a holiday greeting? This lady needs a crash course in common courtesy. No wonder she was fired.
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Do Christians not celebrate New Year's Eve? Are they all staying home to study the bible that night ...... I don't think so!
Hell no! They're out getting drunk with the rest of us!
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Not acknoledging others who may have different or no particular faith seems to me to be very unChristian like behavior. Modern, extreme and evangelical Christians have apparently decided that the phrase "good will toward all men" should not apply to them. Lately, they act like a hoard of barbarians, not Christians at all.
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This is a bigger question in my mind than the xmas hooplah : how do we tolerate intolerant faiths?
Bob, I think that's a very good question. And, one that we're going to have to face sooner or later. We're going to have to rely on the Constitution to protect us, which is what scares me about attempts by the religious right to intertwine the secular and religious worlds. They may think its a dandy idea now, but what happens if an even more intolerant faith takes hold in this country? They'll wish they had in place the very protections that they're so anxious to tear down now.
It is a bit like the Republican right. They were so convinced that they had a permanent majority that they didn't need to be bipartisan and could ignore the middle. Now, they risk being sidelined as irrelevant for years.
The lady may be upset to know that December 25th was co-opted by 3rd century Christians, and was previously used to celebrate two other pagan holidays, Saturnalia and the Birth of Mithra ( which curiously, has its own virgin birth, attended by 3 wise men, death and resurrection myth, and who practiced baptism and communion ). Christmas is not an authentic Christian holiday.
Bob, leaving the fired lady's predicament aside, your comment is complete garbage. IT DOES NOT MATTER if Christianity adapted elements of pagan festivities. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Understand that. Today in the modern world, the weeks before and up to Christmas are representative of Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ, to Christians. That is all there is to it.
Maybe you think all Christian religious services must be conducted in the original Aramic or other languages or they are not legitimate. Maybe you think since Jesus did not organize a religion, any organized religion that uses his name is illegitimate. But why should anyone care what you think about it?
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Therese in NV....Under God was added to the pledge in the 1950s. The pledge was written in 1892 by a SOCIALIST (horrors!). Nobody pledged allegiance in 1776.
Yeah, most people know that (sorry, Therese). Further to the point, I would imagine that our founding fathers would be horrified at an American "Pledge of Allegiance." Absolutely horrified.
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Great, now were fighting each other for "tolerating" each other holidays. PEACE ON EARTH.... Please.
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JohnRussel and rhino39 so you are the final say on Christmas and what it MUST mean? I don't remember voting for you. As an atheist I celebrate christmas because it is a fun time for my children. You are not allowed to take that away from me. i do not recognize your christ as a deity. By all means go ahead celebrate your faith. I will honor your choice and views, please honor mine an others like me. I UNDERSTAND that the celebration of christmas has it's roots in several different religious beliefs (pagan, christian, etc). But I also know my celebration of christmas has it's roots from my life and can celebrate the day and the season in my way. I think it's great we have this time for all Americans to take the day off for family and friends. Personally I glad each season has a specific day that the majority of people are off to spend time with family how they choose. Americans need to focus on family and friends no matter what thier beleif system or lack thereof is.
happy holidays! Cause this time of year from thanksgiving to new years seems to have the most holidays of the year.
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Gezzz........I really feel old. We used to say "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year".
I guess it is a lot to remember....................
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Sorry, but she didn't own the business. Her employer is perfectly within his/her rights to set policy on how they want the company to be represented on the phone by the employees. If she disagreed so strongly, she had the option of finding an employer with a more compatible policy on this issue at her earliest convenience and do the job she was hired to do, including the in-policy greeting, until then.
Personally, I use "Happy Holidays" unless I know what faith someone follows because I respect the fact that not everyone celebrates a holiday this time of year for the same reasons. My wishing someone well at this time of year is not limited to those who share my beliefs, and if anyone uses a greeting that doesn't fit my faith I don't take offense.
So, to people of all levels of faith from the devout to atheist and all in between, using whatever name(s) you believe fit your perception of the Divine, celebrating the ideals of peace, understanding, and new beginnings that most religions express in some form or another this time of year, I say "Happy Holidays."
And just to make sure I'm including everyone, whether I agree with them or not, "Happy Holidays" to those who want to argue over this as well. Hopefully someday you'll notice the "goodwill towards man" bit in the story doesn't limit it to a particular denomination, and the Bible doesn't state that a "Merry Christmas" greeting is a must.
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JohnRussell, my point was simply that its difficult to elicit sympathy for a woman who, more or less puts her foot down and plays her aces over what is essentially a fairy tale on the periphery of the actual religion. Personally I don't think we should respect another man's religion any more than we respect his taste in women. I'm kinda like, whatever rings your bell, but don't expect to get more than "thats nice" from me. I'm a little worn out from the people who insist they know the one truth, and now comes this lady creating drama at work? I don't think misguided sensitivities should create a legal shield for any old behavior. Essentially we have someone crying foul because they couldn't follow instructions at work, and they wrapped it in a hokum religion wrapper so people like you would rally against her employer. It would be one thing if she was invoking some abstract principle, like liberty, racism, sexual harrassment, or whatever, and we could sit down and discuss the merits of the idea. But no, what we have here is religious freedom, which is a giant undiscerning umbrella that lumps every meritless idea, every false idea, together with the good ones, and tells the world to bugger off - you don't have the right to evaluate my bull****, and I'll get offended if you do. The whole thing has libertarian appeal - i.e. we have the right to be morons, but does that mean I can't say "she is a moron" because it might hurt her feelings? Please. If we honor this woman's position we're rapidly heading for a world where nothing gets done and business fails because we can't get anybody to do anything contrary to whatever flavor of bull**** they roll out this week.
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JohnRussel and rhino39 so you are the final say on Christmas and what it MUST mean? I don't remember voting for you. As an atheist I celebrate christmas because it is a fun time for my children. You are not allowed to take that away from me.
Please celebrate on any basis you feel works for you. My point was that attempting to deflate Christmas on the basis of historical fact is an irrelevancy. IF Jesus Christ is who Christians claim him to be, any historical controversy means little in the big picture. Do you imagine Jesus being upset because his followers appropriated pagan festivities? I don't.
thank you muchly johnrussel. I did celebrate it my way and enjoyed it and I hope you had a wonderful christmas. I have to disagree with you when you say ;
IT DOES NOT MATTER if Christianity adapted elements of pagan festivities. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Understand that. Today in the modern world, the weeks before and up to Christmas are representative of Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ, to Christians. That is all there is to it.
It certainly does matter what christmas origins are becasue so many of the things we associate with christmas come from different religious and geographical view points that christmas is a very "American" holiday. It simply is not just a christian holiday. To some it is and that's great for them. For others (myself included) it's a wonderful celebration for children, the parents (or caregivers) of children, the the kids at heart. It's all good. I think for the most part we agree.
Oh lordy! Why do so many Christians have such trouble with saying "Happy Holidays" just because you do not celebrate another religion does not mean that you have to be so naive as to think that Christianity is theonly religion that should be recognized. I am Christian and I believe that you should wish anyone of faith good will on their holiday. I have people of other religions wish me a Merry Christmas even though they do not celebrate it. I get different holiday cards for different people. Why can people not be respectful of others? Plus Jesus wasn't even born in December, he was born in the summer.
I think she should have been sent home for not complying with the company's standards and after warning if it persisted I would have fired her too. You do not follow the rules then Goodbye! If you wish someone a Happy Holiday versus Merry Christmas you are not abandoning your values. People are too paranoid now-a -day.
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Exactly. What about the employers rights, what about the customers rights? Odds are the woman is just looking for an angle to sue, and figured if she drove it under the "assault on Christmas" umbrella, she'd have a good number more nutballs support her.
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Who says Jesus was born in Summer? Were you there? Sorry, but I know they do not have snow over there, but Summer? Why do you say he was born in the Summer?
Margaret-
Because the calendar that was used in that time was completely different from the one we use now and anthropologists, scientists, and geologists have studied the calendars and dated the birth of Jesus back to the summer. I believe that the correct month is actually August.
Where is your evidence that he was born in December? It is not stated in the Bible what month he was born in. Just as it was not stated that Easter happened in March or April whichever Sunday the calendar puts it on.
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Who says Jesus was born in Summer? Were you there?
Margaret ... actually, the Bible gives a very good clue that Jesus wasn't born in December. It would have been too cold at that time of year for shepherds to have been in the fields at night.
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Actually the easiest way to figure this out is to figure out when the people all had to travel to their home province to pay their taxes. You know, the reason Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem in the first place. And actually this time was around April.
The reason Christmas is celebrated on December 25th is because early Christians were heavily persecuted for their beliefs, so they chose to celebrate the birth of Christ on the same day as a pagan Holiday that was already in existence so that their celebrations would not be noticed. The holiday they picked was the winter solstice.
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Barry, please do some research into the matter. Christianity is an evolved religion, i.e. it has changed over time to work out most of the kinks. There wasn't even a consensus that Jesus was divine until 325 A.D., when the council at Niceaea brought together early Christian leaders and a host of documents. Basically a bunch of men sat around and decided what went into the Bible and what got thrown out, and took a democratic vote on what was "true" or "false". Last time a I checked, truth is not a consensus matter. :D As far as Christmas goes, northern Europe was one of the last areas to Christianize, and there was a lot of flow-back and concessions made in order to complete the job. In other words, its easier to re-interpret pagan holidays on paper than beat change into the barbarians.
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The $0.50 SAT word for what you're all describing is "synchretism"-- basically a "mix and match" attempt to reconcile separate belief systems. In language, the same process is called "creolization".
More than just the time of the holidays and the particular traditional customs (the tree, the Yule log, carolling) were adopted by early Christianity-- Bob noted in the seed post the similarities between Christian doctrine and the Mithra cult, and a lot of the philosophical basis was adopted from Greek philosophy-- Augustine was a Neoplatonist, and Thomas Aquinas heavily influenced by Aristotle, for example. Some local deities were also adopted as "saints"--Brigid, in some interpretations, is an adoption of the Celtic goddess of the same name, an Irish goddess of poetry, fire and ironwork.
To the topic at hand-- I generally say "Happy Holidays" to people on the street, and wish "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hannukah" or whichever (heck, even "Happy Festivus") if I know the person celebrates in a particular mode. In a professional situation, I leave it to company policy.
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I agree with Abby. Personally I'm muslim. But I don't take offense with someone wishing me Happy Holidays. I have friends who are Christian, and guess what? I wish them a Merry Christmas. Not because I celebrate it, but because THEY do. So I want their holiday to be merry. Just like when Ramadan comes around. They invite me to their home to break my fast. Why? Not because they celebrate Ramadan, but because they care about me and are kind enough to think of me. If she was refusing to say Happy Holidays and be considerate of others, not to mention comply with company policy then she deserves to get fired!
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Bob ... where are we in disagreement? My comment was non-controversial. I didn't indicate when or how Christmas came to be celebrated.
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Barry, please do some research into the matter. Christianity is an evolved religion, i.e. it has changed over time to work out most of the kinks. There wasn't even a consensus that Jesus was divine until 325 A.D., when the council at Niceaea brought together early Christian leaders and a host of documents. Basically a bunch of men sat around and decided what went into the Bible and what got thrown out, and took a democratic vote on what was "true" or "false". Last time a I checked, truth is not a consensus matter. :D As far as Christmas goes, northern Europe was one of the last areas to Christianize, and there was a lot of flow-back and concessions made in order to complete the job. In other words, its easier to re-interpret pagan holidays on paper than beat change into the barbarians.
All of this is irrelevant to the celebration of Christmas.
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Exactly. What about the employers rights, what about the customers rights?
When someone says Merry Christmas to you, what right are you being deprived of?
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Her boss asked her to say "Happy Holidays." If you fail to do what you are asked to do at work it is a case of insubordination. Plain and simple. You are paid to play by their rules. You don't like their rules, work elsewhere.
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i agree, mystery. no matter your personal faith or belief, if you're being paid to do a job, do it right. if you have a problem with it, there are thousands of people willing to take your place.
smokified....dude, lighten up. it's xmas eve. happy holidays.
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Smokified-
Christmas is the not the only holiday happening around the same time that is why people who are respectful of tohers say Happy Holidays. There is holidays and religious celebrations such as Kwanzaa and Hannuka (spelled that wrong) that are being celebrated at the same time. The only reason you should say Merry Christmas if ever at work is on Christmas or else in fact there is no need to say it since every other day is not that holiday.
It all boils down to if you do not answer the phone how you are asked then you are in fact asking to get fired.
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SMOKIFIED4EVER:
Happy Yule!
No offense, just making a point. Do you get it yet?
Seriously, though, since you identified your faith, Merry Christmas.
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Since when is a greeting of a holiday a tenet of any Christian demonination?
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Because the actual holiday is called Christmas, why shouldn't anyone that wants to be able to say merry Christmas.
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Sorry... WRONG. The actual "holiday" since the beginning of Mankind was the Winter Solstice. It was celebrated by pagans and religious worldwide. In fact there are HUNDREDS of so-called deities who had "gods" who said to have been born of virgins (Virgo whose sign is a variant on the letter M which began the name of EVERY ONE of the so-called "virgins" INCLUDING Mary) on the 25th of Dec. Thing is... ALL of these "gods".. INCLUDING the Xtian Jesus were all mythical gods based on the Astrological Calendar. The "son of god" is actually the SUN of god, the 12 "disciples" are actually the 12 Zodiacs of the astrological calendar, the 3 "wise men" are actually the 3 stars of Orion's Belt which Point to the "Star in the East"... SIRIUS...which directs the location of the NEW BIRTH... ie SUNRISE of the new "son".. ie SUN that rises anew 3 days ( hence the myth of the being dead 3 days and then being resurrected ) after the beginning of the Solstice marking the DEATH or END of the year and the BEGINNING of a new year.
That said....Xtians literally HIJACKED the holiday and have tried their damnedest to exclude everyone else from a holiday or celebration that belongs to EVERYONE.
Don't believe me ?? This will explain everything as clear as day. Only an idiot would deny that the Jesus Myth is exclusive and "true" in any sense of the word when it is stolen/plagerized in EVERY detail from HUNDREDS of identical stories which precede it by as many as 3-4 THOUSAND years. Make sure you watch all 3 parts.
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Keep your religion...
Sorry... WRONG. The actual "holiday" since the beginning of Mankind was the Winter Solstice. It was celebrated by pagans and religious worldwide.
Who cares what it was then... it is Christmas today... so TODAY the holiday is Christmas... why would anyone be offended by having someone say Merry Christmas to them? It is a holiday... are you offended when someone says Happy Presidents Day?
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Sorry... WRONG. The actual "holiday" since the beginning of Mankind was the Winter Solstice. It was celebrated by pagans and religious worldwide.
Who cares what it was then... it is Christmas today... so TODAY the holiday is Christmas... why would anyone be offended by having someone say Merry Christmas to them?
As others have pointed out, Christians co-opted the holiday from the Pagans. It seems hypocritical that they should be offended that the holiday is changing.
That said....Xtians literally HIJACKED the holiday and have tried their damnedest to exclude everyone else from a holiday or celebration that belongs to EVERYONE.
Don't believe me ?? This will explain everything as clear as day. Only an idiot would deny that the Jesus Myth is exclusive and "true" in any sense of the word when it is stolen/plagerized
The above comment is childish and utterly ridiculous. In the modern world, Dec.25 is celebrated as the day of the birth of Christ. It wouldn't matter if Jesus was born on Mars and the winter holiday originated amongst the religions of Atlantis, in OUR world Christmas, Dec 25th, is a Christian holiday, as celebrated by Christians.
People who do not wish to celebrate Christmas certainly shouldn't be forced to, but neither should Christians be forced to tolerate the incredibly childish and mean spirited insults of some atheists.
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So, John, what do you say to someone you know isn't Christian and isn't atheist? Those aren't the only 2 categories of faith, and some of the others you didn't mention have celebrations that include December 25th. If you still say "Merry Christmas" and they're offended, what do you say to them then?
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I say Happy Hannakuh. For Kwanzaa, I say "get serious". Kwanzaa was created as a specifically anti- western 'holiday' by a black nationalist racist Ron Karenga and is not a legitimate holiday.
Why is it so hard to say "Happy Holidays"? Not everyone celebrates the same holiday and Merry Christmas does not include everyone. Everyone is just out to make a fast buck, even if they have to use religion to get it.
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but why do people have to get so offended if someone says happy holidays to them, geez you cant say anything these days
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Those that don't want to celebrate Christmas doesn't have to, but it is called Christmas, so why shouldn't those that want to celebrate it as such be denied that right.
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Whoa Trusty, wake up. This doesn't have anything to do with the right to celebrate a holiday and no one was denied the right to celebrate anything. It's about what greeting is appropriate for a business at Christmas time.
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Erica- 96% of the US population celebrates Christmas, 77% identify themselves as Christian. so there is only 4% of the population that doesn't celebrate Christmas. Around this time of year Christmas is the main holiday that's happening, they are CHRISTMAS tree, not a holiday tree. I wish people a Merry Chirstmas, if they don't then i wish them a happy holidays (i only know of one person who doesn't celebrate Christmas)or Happy Hanukkah (the Jewish people i know also celebrate Christmas). But since the 4% of the population doesn't celebrate Christmas why should we oppress all the people who do celebrate it for those who don't? It's CHRISTMAS TIME, that's what a lot of charities set up for this time of year, so people can have a nice Christmas and other holidays.
Why can't we say Christmas? i still do, it's Christmas time and we're out of school and work for Christmas. I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
Whoa clare; if the company that declared it was a Christian company and then fired her for saying merry Christmas, where is their justification for doing so?
It's not about political corectness, it's about mutual respect. As a Christian, it bothers me that any Christian feels it necessary to assume or demand anyone else listen to thier expression of personal religious choice. I celebrate my faith with my church community, family and others with whom I share my common beliefs. There is no need for me to spread my Christian beliefs at work or any public forum. Whether this was the real cause for termination or not, it is wrong for her to bring it into the professional domain.
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if the company that declared it was a Christian company and then fired her for saying merry Christmas, where is their justification for doing so?
The justification lies with its clients.
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Patrick, thank you for this.
As a Christian, it bothers me that any Christian feels it necessary to assume or demand anyone else listen to thier expression of personal religious choice. I celebrate my faith with my church community, family and others with whom I share my common beliefs. There is no need for me to spread my Christian beliefs at work or any public forum. Whether this was the real cause for termination or not, it is wrong for her to bring it into the professional domain.
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Thank you Patrick. As a muslim I appreciate this. I have no issue wishing someone a Merry Christmas, it's their religion, their holiday, why shouldn't it be merry? But to have someone trying to impose it on me...that I don't like. I am grateful for those friends who wish me a Happy Ramadan, but don't expect it. nor do i try to inpose my views on them
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Patrick...
As a Christian myself... I take no offense in happy holidays and I expect anyone I say Merry Christmas to, to also take no offense. They are both wishes of happiness. At the same time my calender says that tomorrow is Christmas not Holiday... so I will say Merry Christmas and I would expect that this expression can be taken by intelligent mature persons to be what it is which is a wish of happiness and not an imposition of my views. Are you kidding me... by saying Merry Christmas I am forcing my views on you... grow up!
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At first I felt a little sorry for this lady but as Iread the article and more was explained she sounds like a whack job just trying to get back at her employer. They are right, this is Florida and you might have the same laws as other places but not the same rights - she may have a hard time winning her case. Really if she already found another job she won't get unemployment so I am not even sure why she is going after her previous employer other than to make trouble. She probably expects to be terminated from her new job and then wants to collect on the previous employer.
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Here's another case where we are only getting half the story. I'd like to know the rest. If it is indeed true, it's PC taken to the point where the brain has fallen out. If there are other extenuating circumstances for her being let go, that's all well and good, the timing is just Scroogey (yes I know, but it should be a word).
As far as being so Christian she can't acknowledge other peoples holidays and beliefs, "I've got no response to that", as said folks from the long lost movie Joe Vs. the Volcano said.
This lady has the right to greet people with the words of her choice, and the people have the right to answer back with what ever words they choose. This is America and we do have freedom of speech which is protected by the constitution. If this company did fire her because of her choice of words they broke here constitutional rights as an American citizen.
Merry Christmas!
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Thisguy-
Actually if you are answering the phone at a business you do not have the right to answer it how you like, you answer the phone how the owner and managers want you to answer it. Just as at a business you cannot scream and yell at someone because you feel like it, you have to conduct yourself in accordance with the policies that have been established. If the policy says that you must answer the phone in a certain way you must obey it or risk being terminated. As long as the business is not asking you do something unlawful or harmful you must abide by it or risk your job. That is the difference between answering the phone at a business and at home
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"Constitutional rights" apply to the actions of governments. Her rights as an employee depend on applicable laws, if any.
I think that a company has the right to determine how its employees answer company phone calls. Forbidding her to say "Merry Christmas" is no more an infringement of her rights that preventing her from answering with, for instance, "we're more expensive that our competitors."
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Not if you're on somebody else's clock! Then you greet people AS YOU'RE TOLD TO DO BY THE BOSS!
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No, she does not have the right to answer the phone anyway she pleases. She has to do as her employer tells her to do not as she pleases. If the employer thinks that saying Happy Holidays is a more inclusive way of acknowledging the holidays, then she should follow his instructions or lose her job.
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"This is America and we do have freedom of speech which is protected by the constitution. If this company did fire her because of her choice of words they broke here constitutional rights as an American citizen."
This is an example of how people misunderstand the constitutional right of free speech.
It simply means that the GOVERNMENT can't interfere with our free soeech and/or punish us for what we say; it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
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Moxie, You don't work for someone else do you? Constitutional rights are not in the work place. Rember the people fired for having Obama bumper stickers. The company said "Your on our property, good bye". I would hope you were sticking up for the constitution then too!
At my work I have to sign a contract that I will not discuss, politics, regilion, or anything with a sexual conotation, or agism because I could offend a co-worker and create a hostile work enviroment for that other person. My work is very serious about it.
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Moxie - When you are WORKING for someone else and they are PAYING you to do a JOB then you do what you are told to do. If this is not reasonable for this lady that got fired she can FIND ANOTHER JOB. Perhaps she should have thought about her family and her loss of income BEFORE she insisted on saying what she wants.
- 2 votes
What we need is a mandatory "Know Your Constitution" short film to be played at the beginning of every movie in every theater all over this country from now until eternity. Maybe then the uneducated masses can understand what "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" really are.
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I totally agree! We are living in a very "close" and diverse country. Obama has a web site and asks for suggestions; I suggested he spend some time on the internet talking to us all about our Constitution (since he taught it, he certainly is qualified!) and how it applies to us all, especially, when some of the issues that we are so divided on keep everyone upset and divided. I am in my 60's and just took two law classes, one which was in Constitutional Law; I highly recommend people take a class or head for the library. People are no longer living out on farms, etc. we are living closer together now, and we have just got to learn to have some respect for one another and obey the laws so that we can all live in peace and be safe.
Thisguy is right in that, yes, we have freedom of speech. But that employer also has the right not to PAY you for exercising your rights on their time. When you're on the clock, your time belongs to them. This is an issue of simple work ethics. You can do what you want on your own time. If you don't want to say "Happy Holidays", quit and find another job. Employment is a contract, but both sides have rights and can opt out. People need to stop treating freedom of speech / religion like some kind of "gotcha" that clears the way for any behavior, any time, at others expense.
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Anybody musically inclined? I believe that if someone were to put the constitution and/or bill of rights to music, then it would surely be easier to remember. How many lyrics to songs do you know?
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Yes you are right, she does have the right to answer the phone however she would like IN HER HOME. But at work, she has to follow her employers innstructions, which were to answer the phone a certain way. They are not asking her to break the law, so she must follow instructions or get fired. A job is following your employers instructions. You dont follow, you dont have a job. Simple
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mtpromises - I believe School House Rock did a series on the Constitution. Or am I just so old that I remember these things. :)
I can still remember the one on how a bill becomes law...
I'm just a bill,
Yes, I'm only a bill,
And i'm sitting here on Capitol Hill....
She was a telemarketer--thus she had "sold" her time and allegiance to the company for which she worked. If she didn't want to follow their script, she should have resigned. (The dateline is wrong--It's Panama City, Florida. I watched the "breaking" story, and the woman is after her 15-minutes of fame--AND a few bucks from her former employer.) Instead of resigning, however, she refused to do what she was hired to do (insubordination) and went running to a group of attorneys who contacted the employer with an offer to "make the lawsuit go away" for $25,000. Read about it at Newsherald.com (the Panama City News Herald).
I think that my right to say Merry Christmas in my working environment should not be taken away, just a muslim has the right to wear her full head dress and still be hired no matter what. Face it, the reason they took the right away to say Merry Christmas, is because some non-christian groups were offended. I guess it doesn't matter if Christians are offended! No it doesn't matter. It is the freedom of speech, I have been told I cannot say it also at my work. It is not right.
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Many Christians claim to be the victim of something. It could be cloudy outside and the extreme Christians are offended.
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abby-271462 as well as muslims, jews and so forth. Why are they all persecuted? There is no difference. It is because of there religious beliefs, which should be allowed.
But by only acknowledging one holiday then the same people are saying that others are not valid and not worthy of respect. So those people in fact are being disrespectful and crying foul.
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Kgarcia - It's call a job you moron. If as your employer I want you to hop around on one leg, then you hop. Otherwise you don't get the money for your service. Don't like hopping for a living? Then find another job you idiot. I am amazed that there are people out there with IQs too low to understand such a simple precept of business. No one cares if your pathetic, nut job, religious sensibilities are offended. Here's the job, here's the pay, now just do it and shut the F up.
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As a customer who is not a Christian, I am offended when you people push your Jesus crap off on me. I do not celebrate Christmas, and when you provide me with customer service I have the right to not have you throw it in my face. So keep it out of the workplace, chief.
- 2 votes
I do not feel sorry for a Christian who is offended by having to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Egad, they may actually have to acknowledge that this country is made up of more than just Christian. Eeek, what a concept!
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And God forbid that the non-christians should have to acknowledge that this country was founded by and based on Judaic/Christian beliefs and laws. Why should I change to make you fit in. If you don't like it go someplace else. I am sick and tired of being told I cannot practice as I believe because it may offend someone. If you are offended though, I'm offended by you too. If you want to do as your culture does fine, but either go back to where you came from or learn to live with other cultures, don't tell me I can't because you don't like it. I do not celebrate Hanukkah but I don't say you can't. I don't fast for Ramadan but if you do go ahead. I do keep Christmas and do not stop you from profitting off of it. So learn tolerance or go away.
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It wasn't founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs and laws. It was founded to FREE PEOPLE FROM those things through a secular government.
*shakes head*
You can celebrate whatever religion you want to, on your own time. Nobody cares, and the government - THE GOVERNMENT - cannot make a law telling you what to believe, where to worship, etc. Your boss, however, can tell you how to answer the phone. You are free to get a job somewhere else if you don't like what they want you to say. Your boss isn't required to tailor your telephone greeting to your religious preference.
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I am a Christian who is very tired of hearing other Christians speaking on behalf of Christians ... Kgarcia, it's not just "non-christian" groups that are offended, it is this Christian, too. Religion does not belong in the workplace. Period.
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I agree Patrick.
So many Christians try to force the issue, as if to make those of other faiths acknowledge the superiority of the Christian religion. You bring others into your faith by the way you act and behave, not by insulting them and belittling their faith by refusing to acknowledge it.
I have been bothered for most of my life with the motto "In God We Trust" on our money. It has only been put on our money since 1864. It is not referred to in the Bible as "filthy lucre" for nothing, and Jesus told us to "give to Caesar what is Caesar's (money) and give to God what is God's(our souls)".
As far as I am concerned putting God on our money is a sacrilege. I feel obligated to wash my hands whenever I am required to handle coins or currency.
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just a point against people who say religion should not be in the work place at all then how come people cant say merry christmas but other relgigious groups can wear their relgious clothes even when the work place rules say smart casual and they can take extra time off that others cant to pray, as usual its one rule for one and another for the rest. basically i think you are stupid if you are going to get offended by someone ending a conversation with merry christmas, get over it, if someone said happy hunnaka (dont know spelling), or happy kwansa?? or anything else i would not be offended, get over it people.
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Because headscarf(muslim woman), or kippah (for jewish men), is REQUIRED in the religion. As a Christian, you are NOT REQUIRED by your religion to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone.
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Work and church like church and state should be separate. If religion is a twenty-four hour requirement then they should not expect to be hired or retained if they bring their religion onto the workplace after being hired. Time off should not be given for prayer. Unless, everyone in the workplace is given that same amount of time to do whatever it is they want to do. To do other wise is favortism. Special considerations should not be given for ones religion.
- 2 votes
"As a Christian, I don't recognize any other holidays."
Big no no. No no no no no no! People of other religions can say the same about her religion! Why does Christianity not teach it's followers how to respect? If they do, then some how it got push aside. Talk about selfish behavior. This is probably her parents fault also, as well as her teachings. Who knows.
What I gather from watching religions on the outside is that...if you have none, you're a nobody, and if you have one, your someone elses enemy. I'd rather be a nobody.
With that, Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, and Happy Holidays for the rest who just want to feast and have a good time! Hurrah!
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Holiday means "Holy Day," but I guess that the woman did not know that. Christmas IS a Holy Day and it would have been the same difference. She said she did not celebrate any other holiday...what about Easter? That is also a Holy Day in the Christian religion. I went to school with Jewish friends who got their holidays off as well as ours. This is freedom of speech. Report it to the Employment Security Office and see what they say. They will probably allow you to draw unemployment.
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Margaret - the ESO would actually laugh you out of the office. Draw pay, do what da boss say....
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Anyone who makes a fuss about "Happy Holidays" and "Merry Christmas" is a wacko in my experience. I would put money on the fact that this woman has a history of being difficult to work with. She probably complained like a lunatic when she got the memo that stated how she should greet people from her desk during the holidays. She probably flew into a rant about this being a Christian holiday and she will not take Christ out of Christmas. The boss probably had enough of this kind of disruption and told her to pack it up. It is NOT part of Christianity to be a pain in the ass at work!
So this case isn't really about religion, it is about working well with others and being a team player. Those are things you can be fired for being bad at.
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radagast...
So this case isn't really about religion, it is about working well with others and being a team player. Those are things you can be fired for being bad at.
Spot on... she is just using religion to try and make a buck or to justify her inability to follow what her boss said to do. She should have been fired and that seems plain and clear to me.
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You can be fired for anything without any reason being given for it. Is this a free country, or what?
Only if you are working at a company that has "at will employment" if your company does not function under "at will employment" as reason has to be given and a process has to be followed. The definition of "at will employment" is that the employee or employer can end the working relationship at any time without reason or explaination.
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Abby, that is not true where I live. If they give you a reason you are lucky to get one, and if they DO give you a reason, it is probably not the one for which you were really fired.
Shouldn't it BE at-will anyway? Imagine if you were a small company and ended up paying salary to a group of people who insisted on doing whatever they wanted on your dollar? Who becomes the victim? I'd fold my company before I indulged these people. Who are they to demand money from me without rendering adequate services in exchange?
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Margaret-
As I stated "at will employment" means that they do not have to give you a reason for ending your employment. Just as you do not have to give a reason for leaving a job.
Only if you entered into an employment contract where you and your employer signed a contract that states you are guaranteed employment for a certain amount of time do they have to give a reason and then they also have to pay you the rest or a designated portion of your pay in accordance with the length of your contract.
So again as I stated before.."at will employment" means the employer can end your time at the company at any time without reasoning.
- 3 votes
I'm going to try to work up some sympathy for this woman . . . . . nope, it's not working.
Those who insist on "Merry Christmas", rather than "Happy Holidays", must have a very shallow religion, just as those who think it's a sin to remove "In God We Trust" from US money.
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Otto,
Trying to work up some sympathy for you..........nope, it's not working.
Hdy, folks, looks like we caught one in the shallow pond already!
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otto...
What are you doing fishing in the shallow pond... parents won't let you go to the adult pond? There is no reason one cannot insist on saying Merry Christmas... this lady can insist on it all day long but at work she needed to follow the rules. To call into question the depth of ones religion based on their strong desire to say Merry Christmas is nothing more than a red herring to cast doubt across the religious spectrum. Lame! I say Merry Christmas. I take no offense to someone saying Happy Holidays to me and I expect the same in return when I say Merry Christmas.
- 1 vote
All the christian/Christmas hubbub aside, I think there is more to this story then we are being told.
"We are a Christian company and we celebrate Christmas," said Andy Phillips, the company's president. Thomas is "a disgruntled employee," presenting a one-sided version of what happened when she was fired Dec. 10, Phillips said.
I think she lost her job for something other than not being able to say 'Merry Christmas'. I too prefer to say 'Merry Christmas' but if my employer where to mandate that we say Happy Holiday's then I would, due to the fact that on the phone I am the face of the company and there maybe someone on the other end who either celebrates a different religion, or doesn't celebrate christmasat all that maybe offend by the use. Causing my employer to lose a customer or at least respect from that customer. I can't wait to see this play out in the courts. Hope Nancy Grace covers it (eww Can't stand her voice) at least then I know we will her about it! And I don't think she is a Ditto-Head, I think she she a dunder-head or is disgruntle at being fired for performance issue and couldn't bring herself to tell her family the real reason!
- 4 votes
The lady may be upset to know that December 25th was co-opted by 3rd century Christians, and was previously used to celebrate two other pagan holidays, Saturnalia and the Birth of Mithra ( which curiously, has its own virgin birth, attended by 3 wise men, death and resurrection myth, and who practiced baptism and communion ). Christmas is not an authentic Christian holiday. It was just easier to plant its flag on top of pre-existing pagan celebrations than to convert them all. While I support everyone's right to subscribe to whatever brand of hokum they choose, I have to think what they woman does on the job and how she answers the phone is the companies prerogative. If I was running a company, either they're going to answer the phone and take instructions, or they'll hit the door. She can answer her home phone however the heck she wants.
Exactly this. There isn't really anything else to say. Except that maybe she should have thought about her family before she shot off her mouth, since her new lower paying job is making the HOLIDAY season rough on them. Selfish all around.
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I do not know where you live, Abby, but where I live, the employer does not have to give a reason as to why you were fired, and if they do give you a reason, it is not usually the one for which you were actually fired.
No one alive now knows when Jesus was born, nor does it really matter when he was born. The fact that he WAS born is enough reason to celebrate, and what difference does it make when we celebrate it? Anyway, I do not think we celebrate it the way Jesus would have wanted us to, or even if he would have wanted us to. Giving each other gifts, we may as well go out and buy them for ourselves...that way we get what we want.
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1: Your employer has to give reason for firing, your case for unemploment benefits depends on it.
2: Interested to know how you think the Lord would have us to celebrate his birth. I personaly believe we give to express our love as He gave to express his.
3: Might want to ask the employer why they "insist" on "happy holidays" instead of Merry Christmas.
4: My calendar says Dec.25th is Christmas Day. Not sure how many years left before society will not allow the celebration. So "Merry Christmas"
If she has to ask her employer why Happy Holidays is more appropriate, I'm not sure she is qualified to work. It's just plain common sense.
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soupmom...
She must surely know why an employer would prefer Happy Holidays. She must also know that when you do not do what your boss tells you, you can be fired. If she didn't know these too things, why in the hell did they hire her?
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Margaret-
Once again you seem to not be able to read...I said that "at will employment" means that the employer does not have to give a reason for termination. At will means that it can ended at any time for any reason. Look it up in labor laws.
Also, there are several holidays being celebrated at the exact same time of year. Kwannza and Hannuka (spelled that wrong) and if we are going to have a real logical fuss over saying "Merry Christmas" then the woman should only being saying it on the exact day. Seems from the story that she was saying it days before.
The Christian thing to do is to respect others and part of that respect is to acknowledge that others celebrate different holidays. Since many businesses like to make sure their customers are not offended they take on the "Happy Holidays" if any religious acknowledgement at all.
This woman is at work and just as with any job you have to follow what the employer says unless it is harmful or illegal. You are to follow policy. Insubordination is usually listed in every employee handbook and listed as being grounds for termination. This woman deserved to lose her job. One warning and continued insubordination means termination in any business that sticks to its policies.
Also any business that worries about respecting others makes sure that employees cannot harrass others, some people might take religious wishes as harrassment. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen from someone. If imposing religion on someone is ok then why isn't whistling at a co-workers ok?
Joe-
Actually the employer does not have to give YOU a reason, if the employee does file for unemployment the employer has to tell unemployment why he/she was terminated. When the terminated employee is interviewed for unemployment benefit termination they tell their account of what happened. Unemployment services then makes a decisions based on both statements.
Why should the employee ask why the employer wants her to answer the phone in a specific way? If that is what the employer insists on then follow it.
Would you ask why you answer the phone "Bob's Fish Hut, how may I help you?" instead of "Yo what's up, what do you want?"
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Would you ask why you answer the phone "Bob's Fish Hut, how may I help you?" instead of "Yo what's up, what do you want?"
Great example!
- 2 votes
I believe I read this employee had been in the Air Force, worked by herself, never had disciplinary action, etc. She asked if she could keep using their regular greeting.
Whether you agree with it or not, this country was founded on Christian principles. Check out the writings on the walls in the Capitol, the Ten Commandments, picture of Moses with the Table Of Law, etc. Every room in the Capitol was once used to hold religious services. The weekend after Thomas Jefferson's "separation of Church & state" remarks, he attended services there. For further research, check out David Barton.
Only in recent years has "Merry Christmas" been deemed unacceptable. Why the change? Who decided that it wasn't appropriate? Christians resist "Happy Holidays" because it is a deliberate attempt to thwart the Christian's recognition of Christmas being celibrated as the birth of God's only Son, Jesus, coming to earth! Why after hundreds of years is this suddenly considered hateful, troubling, etc?
...obviously a nut job. Remember that Republican woman in Pennsylvania who said some man scratched the letter "B" for Barack on her face? Only, the "B" was backward .. because, as police later confirmed, she used a mirror to scratch it onto her own face. ---Wait... did that woman move to Florida?
- 5 votes
Lets try to keep this non-partisan. I seem to recall cases where a minority tried to sue Wendy's for a severed finger in her chili, and another case of a swastika painted on a dorm door - both of which turned out to be fake. There are nutballs all around.
- 1 vote
If she felt as strongly as she professes she should have told her employer to stuff it and walked out.
If the company is the Christian company it professes what was the problem?
Because not everyone that they might come in contact IS Christian?
Businesses typically do better by not displaying a particular religious belief, unless they are selling some paraphernalia that is used by a particular religious sect. I seriously doubt that a resort property management company is catering only to southern baptists or methodists or catholics. They probably would like anyone who has money to spend to become their customers.
It's just plain common sense. We need to get a little more of that here in the USA.
- 1 vote
GOOD.if you dont serve customers the way your employer wants you should be fired.discrimination in this case is expecting it to be ok to force your beliefs on others in the work place.
- 4 votes
There are too many people in this world who think they are right and everyone else is wrong in their opinions. Stick with the people who like you and tell the other ones to take a long walk off a short pier. Forget what people think, say what you want, believe what you want, do not take things that people say to heart, live as if every day was your last one on earth and see if your life does not change for the better. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff.
- 1 vote
LOL -- this woman is a total nutcase, obviously. In a professional environment, when you answer the telephone, you simply don't say "Merry Christmas" to customers who may not share your faith. It's not a personal greeitng, it's a business transaction for crying out loud. Nobody would think it appropriate to answer the phone "He is risen!" on Easter, so don't say "Merry Christmas". For crying out loud!
- 5 votes
I Bet the boss goes to church on Sunday's and hears all the sermons. I think they missed the one about turning your back on God to avoid criticism from the non belivers. It is apparent that this lady has her beliefs, but she should have answered the phone as directed. At the point a client wishes her a Merry Christmas, She should have the right to respond accordingly.
No matter when Christmans started, it is a Christian Holiday that has been so commercialized for the almighty dollar that we have all forgotten the Almighty.
I also belive that if a company can not recognize Christmas, that they should be required to work on Christmas Day since they cant acknowledge it otherwise. Why get a paid day off for something you don't necessarily believe in?
My wife works for a bunch of JEWISH attorneys, and I wish them Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas every year as it is what I believe. They in return wish me a Happy Holiday and Merry Chistmas. I have never been asked to watch what I say and they are not offended by it. She has worked their 20 years and she has not been reprimaned or as of yet been fired. I choose to say Merry Christmas based on my beliefs, this boss has his or her right to turn their back on God to avoid criticisim.
- 1 vote
It was a pagan celebration well before it was ever a Christian holiday. I know you hate hearing that, but it's true.
Kind of hard for some to wrap their minds around, like that Jesus would have celebrated Hanukkah as a child because, you know, he was a Jew. Sad that some would be intollerant of the Jewish faith, especially if Christians are since we are so closely tied.
syd2008 question? Why are you telling someone to have a Merry christmas when they dont celebrate it? It's like saying enjoy your steak when they are eating lobster. Im muslim, and yes I wish someone a Merry Christmas if they are Christian, Happy Hannukah if they are jewish, Ramadan Mubarak if they are muslim. It's not about what you believe. It's what others believe, and being respectful of those beliefs. Believe me, if you truly have faith in God and your beliefs, being respectful of others beliefs doesn't take away from your faith in God. Only makes it stronger.
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The problem simplyme1399 is that when religions accomodate respect for competing religions, it undermines the primary religion. Religions are essentially different brands of fiction competing for market share, and since they cannot reference facts to validate their relative value ( i.e. they cannot be proven ), its important not to give the other religion any quarter - it can't be validated in any way. While you and I may recognize the value of being polite, this is not how religion sustains itself. It must grow or die, and any religion that says X is true, but Y could be true also so lets respect that, operates at a disadvantage in the market of ideas. Whats the point of knowing 2+2=4 if 2+2 could = 5 also?
On a side note, this is why churches come down so heavily on children's cartoons and books ( Harry Potter, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe ). The only substantive difference between fiction A and fiction B may be the effectiveness of the marketing. In other words, religion regards anything that steals a childs attention as a threat. Its not like science versus fiction, its "my magic is real but this other magic is not".
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I am so tired of this ridiculous conversation about "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays." Listen up all of you Limbaugh-listening mouth breathers...There are many religions in the world, whether you like it or not. Several of those celebrate religious days in December. I am a Christian, and hence, I celebrate Christmas. However, as a Christian, I respect my fellow mankind and wish peace and joy to all during this season. That's what Christ would have wanted me to do. So, since I can't tell someone's faith just by looking at them, I hope that a general "Happy Holiday" greeting lets them know that I believe we are all children of God, and I wish them well, whatever they are celebrating, even if it's just the New Year. If you are offended by my well wishes, then you are clearly insecure about your religion and your beliefs. What a shame.
- 1 vote
I think the government and businesses are carrying separation of church and state too far. We tolerate African Kwanzaa, or Jewish Hanukkah, as an example. Why? Because this country was founded on freedom of religion. In essence, each of us has the right or non right to practice whatever faith we believe in without discrimination or retribution. News flash, it is not a crime to say "Merry Christmas"; and, I really don't care if it isn't politically correct. What we have here is a movement in government and extreme left wing liberals to eliminate any form of Christian outpouring or display. Get over it! Believers in faith, built this country, "In God We Trust" is on our currency and every politician wanting votes ends their boring speeches with "God Bless You and God Bless America."; and finally, every citizen since 1776 has pledged their allegiance to "One Nation under God." So, to all this holiday season "MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL."
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You TOLERATE African Kwanzaa, or Jewish Hanukkah? You are the reason why these stories are written. The INTOLERANCE of people like you to others who are different than you. You are right. This country was founded upon religious freedom. That means ALL RELIGIONS! And if you don't like that then I suggest you move somewhere else because the holidays like the AFRICAN KWANZAA and JEWISH HANUKKAH and even, dare I say, PAGAN YULE will continue to be and will be celebrated along with CHRISTIAN CHRISTMAS.
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Ummm "under God" was added in 1952 not 1776.. but I will tolerate your error because I am tolerant of the mentally challanged.
HAPPY FESTIVUS!!!
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Many businesses these days are competing in a global market. I googled Religious rankings world wide. The top four are Christianity 33%, Islam 21%, Agnostic 16% and Hinduism 14%. While I'm not sure of the accuracy of the site, It would seem to me that if Islam, Agnostics and Hinduism taken collectively make up a larger percentage than Christianity, a business competing in a global market would be more inclusive by encouraging employess to say Happy Holidays.
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